Thursday, November 17, 2005
ECAM ??? More Excuses and Delays....
Based on the last two days dealing with Excuses, Caustic Avoidance & Misdirection regarding the official request to see these association records.
From: Shawn ONeal
To: lgelder@ecam.net
Cc: wintrode@destin-law.com, gulfoasis@earthlink.net
Subject: Bank statements
Date: Nov 17, 2005 4:27 PM
Hello Lisa,
You have failed to provide me with the Bank statements as I asked.
You only provided Partial copies on the Association checking account In Norcross,
Ga.
You did not provide the statement copies that include the Cancelled check copies.
I called the Bank and they confirmed that the complete bank statement includes these
addittional copies.
You also did not provide any copies of the Bank Account that contains the Special
Assessment Funds you say that you have collected.
Jay Gelder stated at our recent Association meeting in Sandestin that you had over
$1,000,000 Dollars in an association Bank account.
You did not have these available yesterday after you asked for me to delay the meeting
to this week .
You have not dealt with me in good faith.
Your actions draw suspicion and further inquiry on yourselves and those who employ
you.
When will you make these documents available ?
Shawn O'Neal
850-225-5944
And the Response from ECAM'S V.P. Lisa Gelder: With my answers point by point, on my Blog ( Inserted into her response in BOLD text Between these marks >>>> <<<< ) since Ms. Gelder ends her email with a request for me not to contact Her directly.
From: Lisa Gelder [Add to Address Book]
[This is spam]
To: 'Shawn ONeal'
Cc: wintrode@destin-law.com
Subject: RE: Bank statements
Date: Nov 17, 2005 5:32 PM
Mr. O'Neal,
1. I am offended at your attempt to slander my actions and my company's
reputation!
We did not ask you to delay your "review" until the 16th, that was the
date
your attorney informed the association you would be in.
>>> Folks, Below is the email exchange between Me and Jennifer Wintrode (attorney)
Ms. Gelder's statement is simply not true.<<<
-----Original Message-----
From: Jennifer Wintrode
Sent: Nov 8, 2005 3:46 PM
To: 'Shawn ONeal'
Subject: records request
Shawn,
Apparently, the records you requested won't be ready yet this week.
Technically they have until next Wednesday to produce them for inspection.
Can you go look at them next Wednesday sometimes? Let me know.
Thanks.
Jennifer A. Wintrode, Esq. Law Office of Lamar A. Conerly, P.A.
P. O. Box 6944 Destin, Florida 32550
(850) 837-5118 Telephone (850) 837-5187 Facsimile
wintrode@destin-law.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Shawn ONeal [mailto:gulfoasis@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 4:41 PM
To: Jennifer Wintrode
Subject: Re: records request
Yes, Next Wednesday.
2. You did not specifically state you needed copies of cancelled checks.
>>>I told Ms. Gelder I needed copies of the association bank accounts. The Cancelled checks are part and parcel of the bank statement<<<
3. Had you done so, we would have provided them to you today as well.
>>> Remember The first day they did not have any of the Bank statements ready-only excuses, this is aleady the second day<<<
4. We will obtain them and will make copies for you, along with the other documents you
marked for copies during your "review" yesterday. >>>the stall comes below. As you can see they will avoid giving any actual pick-up time to provide me with the other docs<<<
5. Today I provided you with copies of the bank statements you requested, although I was not obligated to do so according to the Florida Statute you are so fond of quoting.You received your 25 copies required by statute yesterday.
>>> Ms Gelder neglects to mention that after she told me I could make copies with my own copier she then changed her mind minutes later, came back and told me I could not make any copies at all on advise from her attorney. I had to call Jennifer Wintrode (attorney) and she called ECAM and Then Lisa changed her mind yet Again and I got 25 copies and was told I would have to come back the next day for the bank statements<<<
6.The account where the special assessment money is kept is a new account and
I am not sure we have even received a bank statement for that account yet,
but I will certainly check. There are no cancelled checks for that account
as no money has been spent out of that account, only deposits have been
made. As you recall, I told you I do not handle the accounting.
>>> Can you spell back-peddle ? Folks I am tired of trying to figure out if these people really are just used to getting away with giving this kind of service <<<
7. I have been nothing but helpful to you, despite your attitude toward me and
my staff. The association and ECAM have absolutely nothing to hide and for
you to insinuate otherwise is very disturbing and unprofessional.
>>> Since when is asking to see the records of my Neighborhood association, which I have every right to see by law Unprofessional ? Ms. Gelder shows the kind of brazen arrogant treatment that ECAM expects us to PAY them for. Ms. Gelder did not give me all the bank statements and is still trying to delay me from getting them but claims she is being Helpful. Helpful To whom?.<<<
8.You may pick up the rest of your copies (the documents you have previously
marked, the copies of the cancelled checks for the entire year and the bank
stement for the bank where the SA money is -if we have one yet)>>>> Folks ,when did you start sending your money in? And they don't know if they have a statement? The Last time I had over $1,000,000 in a bank account I knew if I had a bank statement or not<<<
9.as soon as we have an opportunity to copy them for you. I will email you when they are
ready for pick up. If you'd like to schedule another "review" date, we will
check our calendar to see when we can accommodate you.
>>> when they have "an Opportunity" they will "check" their calendar to see when they can "accommodate" me. The ECAM stall. THE BOTTOM LINE:YOU WONT GET ANY MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THOSE BANK ACCOUNTS, STATEMENTS OR CHECKS BEFORE THIS SATURDAY'S ANNUAL BOARD MEETING ...
WHY? Because they have nothing to hide. Well maybe THEY dont...<<<
10. Please do not contact me directly in the future. All requests MUST be made
through your attorney to the Association's attorney.>>> again, the street only runs one way at ECAM. Lisa will email me when she is ready but I am not to email her.<<<
Lisa Gelder
Vice President
ECAM
From: Shawn ONeal
To: lgelder@ecam.net
Cc: wintrode@destin-law.com, gulfoasis@earthlink.net
Subject: Bank statements
Date: Nov 17, 2005 4:27 PM
Hello Lisa,
You have failed to provide me with the Bank statements as I asked.
You only provided Partial copies on the Association checking account In Norcross,
Ga.
You did not provide the statement copies that include the Cancelled check copies.
I called the Bank and they confirmed that the complete bank statement includes these
addittional copies.
You also did not provide any copies of the Bank Account that contains the Special
Assessment Funds you say that you have collected.
Jay Gelder stated at our recent Association meeting in Sandestin that you had over
$1,000,000 Dollars in an association Bank account.
You did not have these available yesterday after you asked for me to delay the meeting
to this week .
You have not dealt with me in good faith.
Your actions draw suspicion and further inquiry on yourselves and those who employ
you.
When will you make these documents available ?
Shawn O'Neal
850-225-5944
And the Response from ECAM'S V.P. Lisa Gelder: With my answers point by point, on my Blog ( Inserted into her response in BOLD text Between these marks >>>> <<<< ) since Ms. Gelder ends her email with a request for me not to contact Her directly.
From: Lisa Gelder
[This is spam]
To: 'Shawn ONeal'
Cc: wintrode@destin-law.com
Subject: RE: Bank statements
Date: Nov 17, 2005 5:32 PM
Mr. O'Neal,
1. I am offended at your attempt to slander my actions and my company's
reputation!
We did not ask you to delay your "review" until the 16th, that was the
date
your attorney informed the association you would be in.
>>> Folks, Below is the email exchange between Me and Jennifer Wintrode (attorney)
Ms. Gelder's statement is simply not true.<<<
-----Original Message-----
From: Jennifer Wintrode
Sent: Nov 8, 2005 3:46 PM
To: 'Shawn ONeal'
Subject: records request
Shawn,
Apparently, the records you requested won't be ready yet this week.
Technically they have until next Wednesday to produce them for inspection.
Can you go look at them next Wednesday sometimes? Let me know.
Thanks.
Jennifer A. Wintrode, Esq. Law Office of Lamar A. Conerly, P.A.
P. O. Box 6944 Destin, Florida 32550
(850) 837-5118 Telephone (850) 837-5187 Facsimile
wintrode@destin-law.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Shawn ONeal [mailto:gulfoasis@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 4:41 PM
To: Jennifer Wintrode
Subject: Re: records request
Yes, Next Wednesday.
2. You did not specifically state you needed copies of cancelled checks.
>>>I told Ms. Gelder I needed copies of the association bank accounts. The Cancelled checks are part and parcel of the bank statement<<<
3. Had you done so, we would have provided them to you today as well.
>>> Remember The first day they did not have any of the Bank statements ready-only excuses, this is aleady the second day<<<
4. We will obtain them and will make copies for you, along with the other documents you
marked for copies during your "review" yesterday. >>>the stall comes below. As you can see they will avoid giving any actual pick-up time to provide me with the other docs<<<
5. Today I provided you with copies of the bank statements you requested, although I was not obligated to do so according to the Florida Statute you are so fond of quoting.You received your 25 copies required by statute yesterday.
>>> Ms Gelder neglects to mention that after she told me I could make copies with my own copier she then changed her mind minutes later, came back and told me I could not make any copies at all on advise from her attorney. I had to call Jennifer Wintrode (attorney) and she called ECAM and Then Lisa changed her mind yet Again and I got 25 copies and was told I would have to come back the next day for the bank statements<<<
6.The account where the special assessment money is kept is a new account and
I am not sure we have even received a bank statement for that account yet,
but I will certainly check. There are no cancelled checks for that account
as no money has been spent out of that account, only deposits have been
made. As you recall, I told you I do not handle the accounting.
>>> Can you spell back-peddle ? Folks I am tired of trying to figure out if these people really are just used to getting away with giving this kind of service <<<
7. I have been nothing but helpful to you, despite your attitude toward me and
my staff. The association and ECAM have absolutely nothing to hide and for
you to insinuate otherwise is very disturbing and unprofessional.
>>> Since when is asking to see the records of my Neighborhood association, which I have every right to see by law Unprofessional ? Ms. Gelder shows the kind of brazen arrogant treatment that ECAM expects us to PAY them for. Ms. Gelder did not give me all the bank statements and is still trying to delay me from getting them but claims she is being Helpful. Helpful To whom?.<<<
8.You may pick up the rest of your copies (the documents you have previously
marked, the copies of the cancelled checks for the entire year and the bank
stement for the bank where the SA money is -if we have one yet)>>>> Folks ,when did you start sending your money in? And they don't know if they have a statement? The Last time I had over $1,000,000 in a bank account I knew if I had a bank statement or not<<<
9.as soon as we have an opportunity to copy them for you. I will email you when they are
ready for pick up. If you'd like to schedule another "review" date, we will
check our calendar to see when we can accommodate you.
>>> when they have "an Opportunity" they will "check" their calendar to see when they can "accommodate" me. The ECAM stall. THE BOTTOM LINE:YOU WONT GET ANY MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THOSE BANK ACCOUNTS, STATEMENTS OR CHECKS BEFORE THIS SATURDAY'S ANNUAL BOARD MEETING ...
WHY? Because they have nothing to hide. Well maybe THEY dont...<<<
10. Please do not contact me directly in the future. All requests MUST be made
through your attorney to the Association's attorney.>>> again, the street only runs one way at ECAM. Lisa will email me when she is ready but I am not to email her.<<<
Lisa Gelder
Vice President
ECAM
